right now did this group of two already derail this gang of eight? hi, everyone. >> ed to have you. i'm neil cavuto. immigration reform plan that looked ready to roll now just looking like it might get rolled. the senate judiciary committee will start marking up a bill in less than two weeks. lawmakers are already saying that because of boston, maybe we need to stop things, period. this coming as the house gets ready to roll out a series of immigration plans of its own. the first of which won't touch border security pretty much at all. so if dc can't get it together on keeping us safer, is anyone safe? to ben stein, glad to see you. as you can tell, he's glad to be

back. charles payne, dagen mcdowell. we've also got adam and charlie gasparino. welcome all. charles payne, what are we to make of this? >> the thing we got to worry about, everyone watching the show has to worry about something that's rushed, hand fisted, wait fort fog to clear because you're going to really love it when you get the details kind of plan. we don't need anything to score >> live from america's news political points. headquarters, i'm heather. but you can't push a plan through without border security an iranian scientist held by the being first and foremost. united states since late 2011 i think almost every other day has now returned home to iran. we learn about how awful this obamacare thing is. he's a microchip expert and he so just to put something through was in custody on allegations that both sides can stay to a that he bought high-tech certain bloc of voters we like equipment in violation of u.s. sanctions against iran. you you is a huge mistake. he says u.s. authorities treated >> ben stein? >> 100% agree with you about the him, quote, generally well. political pandering this to this the u.s. has a history of an panic vote. i've never seen anything quite occasional arrest and release of so explicit in my life in terms iranian citizens on similar of pandering to an ethnic group. charges. 19 more survivors have been pulled from the rubble of a it's embarrassing on behalf of building collapse in bangladesh. the eight story garment factory both parties. collapsed on wednesday, killing at least 340 people in the city. i think --

>> i think whether you're fire officials say there are pandering or not, the fact is still more survivors trapped in you're delaying what looked like the debris. in the meantime, police have close at hand reform. i don't know if that's a good or detained at least five people in connection with the collapse, bad thing. including two engineers who were >> may i respectfully ask why involved in aproverbing the does the connection between building's design. border security and the tsarnaev i'm heather nowert. brothers who came over on an now back to cavuto. airplane, they didn't slip through the border and as far as i know, none of the terrorists suspects in any of the major >> you'll have to get the money from somewhere else to pay for terrorism have come slipping through the mexican border. all of this. >> okay. i didn't think about it. where do you think that's going to come from? charles payne, i think the issue >> more taxes. there are so many hidden taxes that i agree with and gasparino in the affordable health care raised with you is now they want bill, which is a strange name, to police the focuses who are already here to ben stein's that we all are going to be point. so for all good valid reasons. paying, you know, initially, but it is going to complicate just the rich. and then the semi rich. this process or make for a thicker bill or whatever. and then the nonrich. >> shouldn't it complicate it a little bit? listen, i have a problem with having a welfare state and open >> neil: yeah, that ben carson, talking to me. borders. that, to me, is problematic. anyway, dr. ben carson's milton freedman said, you can't diagnosis is looking spot on, especially with washington have both and pay your bills. state, among others now looking

when you have terrorism, it's to put thousands of state another dimension. workers into these health care listen, yes, we haven't had a exchanges at the expense of terrorist jump across the rio taxpayers who are probably getting f.b.i.d off about it grande lately or since 9-11. because they'll be paying for but it's the same sort of checks it, right, dagen? >> absolutely. and balances that go on. if you think medicare looks bad, those guys got into the country medicare is a walk in the park to what this thing could be in pretty damn easy. people can come in from other terms of the complexity of it, parts of the world pretty damn in terms of the cost of it. easy. >> neil: i don't know two people immigration reform, when they do it, will affect not just mexico, who know -- in other words, who can agree on its provisions, but it will affect every country that comes -- anybody from any even how doctors are going to country that comes here. get paid. >> look at senator max baucus, >> dagen, when i talked to marco rubio about this, this is a name dropper. >> no kidding. one of the authors of this, a boot liquor, apparently. looks at sebelius and says this >> thank you very much. is a train wreck. but anyway, when i did talk to >> neil: but i admired him early marco rubio, who is first on. wasn't he the guy who said, exclusively on my show, one of charles payne, we have people to the things he raised was, look, read this? neil, we can address these >> exactly. >> neil: when you start saying, i had people to read this -- provisions. they're provisions for tighter border security, but we can go >> hhs has missed dozens of ahead and have a stricter deadlines -- >> there is a lot we don't know. process to focus on the but what we do know, draconian individuals who are already interpretation is full time here. work. this is going to destroy people.

but we're not at that in the legislation that you put out just yet. so it does mean, going back to their hours are going to go from the drawing board, right? 40 to less than 30. >> it could possibly mean going we know a -- back to the drawing board. >> neil: a lot of this is but what those senators are trying to do is a lot more already happening. >> a lot of states aren't pallatable than what's going on prepared. in the house because they want the $40 an hour to tell you there is a platinum gold, to address all of these things in one fail swoop so they don't bronze, that's a farce. get in fight after fight after >> deadline is october 1 for fight with interest groups. what's going on in the house, these state exchanges. they're trying to deal with this good luck meeting that, too. >> neil: in a way, what's going piecemeal. first you move on agricultural to happen, we will get a singer payer system. worker visas, then you move on, >> absolute israeli -- say, security checks by absolutely. employers, and then they push i really do believe that the border security down the road. idea was eventually to get to that's where it will never get that and this is a way to make sure of that. done. >> that, i agree with. i brought that point up as well >> yeah. and what was scary about the with rand paul. debate around the health care, i believe, is that there weren't enough -- the media didn't do anyway, i think this thing is enough work in talking to people dead. stick a fork in it. like dr. carson. my brother is a doctor, works in i don't think it should be, but i think in this environment, no one wants to be in the front of icu area in philadelphia. the line saying, i got a legal they will tell you the thing is immigration plan. i just don't think it's going to a mess. they don't know how it's going

happen any time soon. to happen or be rolled out or >> well, neil, i found that over paid for. particularly in inner cities. that's the scary part, too. my many years of talking to you, that's my name dropping fors >> neil: adam, what do you segment is that you are almost think? >> i just think i'm disappointed always right on these tactical with my friends, with the political issues where it pessimism of my friends on this doesn't have anything to do with panel. [ laughter ] you people -- ideology. i'm sad to hear you say that. >> hey, breaking news, we're not yourends. >> what's the rush in this >> neil: no, no, no. environment? i don't want to look like i'm >> you know that's not true. giving up on these things at all that neil's panelists were >> seriously, if charlie, if you talking about. had been at the continental >> i think you're right. the reason i say i'm sad, congress, you would have said, we can never put these 13 pandering, we -- politics is colonies together. >> give me a break. pappedderring. -- pandering. that's a given. but we're not rushing here. >> you would have said, this is we've been trying to do never going to work! immigration reform since >> come on, come on. >> neil: ben stein was at the president george w. bush tried continental congress. and failed because his party and ben, it's night and day, the wouldn't support him on this. comparison is night and day, right? >> actually we did that to >> this is a train wreck is ronald reagan and rouxed the day putting it mildly. a train wreck into a junkyard, a because ronald reagan said he catastrophe. they're never going to be able to figure it out. the idea that the congress voted was hood winked. on a bill that they did not --

>> what we can say on this program because we're not they're unaware, is almost politicians is that there is no unbelievable. the fact they're making the connection between the boston bombing and immigration reform. insurance companies take even these were two legal immigrants the sickest customers, it's in the united states. going to drive up health care costs. that's a horrible police and it's going to be a nightmare of terrorism issue, but it has confusion. i feel very sad fort doctors. nothing whatsoever to do with i feel bad for everybody. the fact we are a nation of it is a nightmare. immigrants and we want -- >> neil: i was surprised it's >> but they want to make it part costing more. are you surprised when you get of it. that many more on the coverage ben stein, and maybe for and the premiums don't go up perfectly valid reasons. that if you want to get the maybe it should be a separate bill or separate matter, but they want to make it part of medical device, that you're this bill and this matter to going to be paying more, that police those who are already bottom line it will cost more. here and include in this bill. good or bad idea? >> i want to defend the continental congress just so you >> we've got to police them know. they did read the documents in front of them. somehow. if the guys who are here should have been already picked up, the tsarnaevs should have been >> neil: there was not one picked up by the f.b.i. under italian at the continental congress. >> i'm not going there. existing legislation, under but in any event, they read the existing law. documents in front of them. they were tipped off by the what was scary about this is they didn't understand it. russians. their c.i.a. tipped off the >> did not read this! f.b.i something went badly wrong of they didn't read it. that's why it's unfolding in the the law was -- this bizarre way. >> if you're right. >> i just want to make a >> i don't think we need new laws. >> that's what i was going to prediction because you can see say. if you're right.

and by the way, let's cut the this coming with health and human services missing all these f.b.i. some slack. rule making deadlines. it's very easy to second guess that not everybody followed up millions of dollars set aside on this or that. for people to help get workers they have a lot of work to do. on to these exchanges, the government is going to ask for >> i agree. >> we always know about the more and more and more money things they miss and hindsight because they can't implement it is always 20/20. but the fact of the matter is, the way -- that is coming to light. >> neil: you have not seen the what's also coming to light in master plan, back to my theory. this environment, charles payne, with all due respect to adam -- >> you may be right about that. is that this heightened security >> neil: aha! you agree with that, that was push is pushing almost part of your strategy, to get everything else off the table. you could talk about illegal people sucked in. we're going to cover you for immigration. you could talk about ever getting the budget under control. you could talk about a lot of everything, the insurance company will raise their other stuff. this is front and center and premiums to the point that everyone will hate them. obviously multi tasking. state workers will leave their >> definitely bad at multi present system and join these tasking, particularly something exchanges and then private like this, which to your point, workers will follow, especially those who have been dumped from it's consuming a lot of energy. their employers' plan, and then public relations energy, hindsight energy, forward it will be uncle sam providing looking energy. coverage for all. but we do have to do something >> there is no doubt that a with immigration. single payer system was what it's been too long. many of the policy makers wanted our population is aging. our birth rates are down. and obviously would have worked but we need to find a way to get better than the mish mash we've smart people into this country. got. once again, neil, i think your

>> that's good for the economy tactical -- >> neil: i'm telling you, that and the number one issue in that is where this is going. new fox news poll were jobs and >> you're right. >> common sense, everyone knew it was going to be a disaster. economy. >> you said that we need to get if you were honest about it. smart people into this country. but i think to listen to are you ruling out dumb people? dr. carson sound bite from that >> we've got 2 million stem jobs exclusive interview. before get to your master plan and we're not graduating enough scenario, i think everyone in people who can do them. this country is going to pay a lot more than they were told. >> neil: they already are. >> and the master plan -- >> there is an agricultural >> the medical device thing will probably go away. guest worker programs. almost everyone involved in the >> i believe it when i see it. behind the scenes cobbling this together, which this industry >> it's in the bill. >> it's in the bill. is going to get a break -- >> john mccain told me just >> neil: let's take away the medical device because that's that. he said, neil -- and he's from a been a real burden. you got to get the money from somewhere. border state. where are you going to get it? >> what's already happening is >> right. that was monday on fox business. the best doctors don't accept anyway, do you think that the insurance at all. president's health care law is you have to pay cash. not going to cost you? the rich are going to get great think again. don't take my word for it. health care and everybody else is going to suffer at the hands listen to the doctor. of the government. this doctor >> neil: ben stein is like first in line. when we come back, the latest

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that he didn't tell me. shoppers still loving apple products, but not showing much love for its stock. down around 40% since it hit 700 bucks. remember that? that was seven months ago. that 7 months ago. now the company is spending $100 billion trying to buy the love back. adam will it work? >> it will work in terms of stabilizing the stock price. they are borrowing money to pay money out in the united states. most of that money is sitting abroad. >> ben? >> the money would have otherwise been stashed in the bank. it is better to give it to the people in the company. >> looks like a turn quiet and open wound. it stabilized things and not much more. >> not much more. the president a year ago railed against ton of cash. you are the bad guys and spend

that money. we saw a wave of bay back dividend increase. >> he didn't want them to spend it that way. >> if he was honest he would give them a break and let them bring back 400 billion. a hundred in buy backings and we would get a stimulus program of two or three hundred billion. >> last time -- >> core late the uneloyment when bush gave the exemption and over the next 12 or 24 months unemployment rate dropped. >> what year did that happened? >> who cares? >> that is what we are talking about the cash on the balance sheets. he was asked why is it still still there? >> he said we live in a post 9/11 world. >> you keep cash on hand. >> if you are a shareholder,

apple. you don't want them to make stupid acquisition to spend it like when sisco bought. >> you should should makes. sam sung is catching up. >> that's not how you do it. >> i am no expert but that has hendenberg all over it. i thank charl yedagen. sell your stock negligence may? no, make the money now.

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